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it seems like a lot of what could be discussed in here is being discussed in tribes like cognitive science, life here in the future, nanotechnology, technoshamanism, secular humanism, hell...even cyberpunk and kinky sci-fi. it is pretty dead in here, maybe because the concept is too general. so i invite you to introduce any discussion in here relating to how we interact with our changing environment. how we are affected by it. how we affect it. in relation to technology. in relation to industry. in relation to each other. in relation to anything. generate heat.
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Re: too general?
Mon, May 3, 2004 - 11:12 PMthinking in conceptual terms the is of identity ravages direction of momentum.. knowledge of technique must usurp faith-based traditional ritual, or perhaps ritual has always been technology of varying degrees of usefulness... (backbrain's smoking, blacksmoke rising) technology is religion in that immortality is promised, telepathy is likely, we are transcending the old flesh by means of the new, and in doing so have devoured a digital eucharist
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Re: too general?
Tue, May 4, 2004 - 5:48 AMAlso many subjects that could be discussed here are at the Crossroad of Religion Tribe.
www.tribe.net/tribe/servl...TribeCard.vm
Technology is religion the way Economics is religion and the way Politics is Religion. It is called:
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Re: too general?
Tue, May 4, 2004 - 6:15 AMthis tribe was intended to be more about technology. not about religious practices or the idea of organized religion. the evolution of technology being synonymous with the evolution of humanity. toys and tools that define us. become extensions of us. where the vein ends and the wire begins. oil paint and canvas were, at one point, technological innovations. so where the eye/hand ends and the brush begins. advancing our conscousness through technology. advancing technology through consciousness. because these concepts are so broad, i was hoping to inspire discussable ideas-- why having laurie anderson as the first artist-in-residence at NASA is relevant to bettering space travel. comparing better operating systems with our ability to communicate. -
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Re: too general?
Tue, May 4, 2004 - 6:44 AMthat makes technology a meme, not a religion Solar. It is at times a competing meme and others a parallel meme but it would be better to call it "Technology is a Force Memetics" than religion.
Everything you have said is true but it is about the difference between memetics and genetics and how we assimilate and transmit behavioral extensions of adaptive behaviors for ourselves and on to subsequent generations.
Religion is one of the earliest vectors for identifying memetic behavior in our species but it is by far not the only and today technology is supplanting religion as the most powerful example of memetic behavior as we make the excruciating transition into an "Age of Reason" out of the "Age of Faith." -
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Tue, May 4, 2004 - 8:19 AMmeme, maybe. in another thread, we even talked about the word 'religion' being incorrect, as far as the name of this tribe is concerned. will you explain force memetics?
we are transitioning into an age of reason, yes. but also into an age of application and momentum. we don't just utilize our knowledge to modify and transform the present. we do so to move into the future. it seems like 'now' used to last a lot longer.
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Tue, May 4, 2004 - 8:36 AMThat line should read "Technology is a force of Memetics".
Through technology we are moving our species adaptive model, not only for humans but all life on Earth, from Natural Selection to Human Selection.
Two principle behavioral elements of human social primate behavior created history, language and art. Religion, philosophy, science and culture are all derivative of the primitive application of this model.
Language and art combined to build symbolic forms of representation for ideas that were not only transmitted from one generation to another but could be applied and refined with each subsequent generation. The result is cumulative but also has an accelerating component as the perception of change is very slow at first but as an exponentially compounding function. These represented very small incremental changes at first methods of chipping stone and developing materials but there is a qualitative shift as we build better mechanisms for clarifying, storing, and transmitting knowledge.
Look at the rate of progress pre and post written language, then pre and post printed words, and now reflect on the rate of change pre and post semantic web (internet).
We are experiencing as the power of this artificially created racial memory of history and science can be assimilated by more and more people adapting their individual understanding of this collective database into eve more environmental niches socially and environmentally.
Please look up memetics as it was originally coined by Richard Dawkins in his book the "The Selfish Gene" and also the Meme Machine by Susan Blackmore. Religion IMO is a "force of memetics" because of socio-psychology but individual religions are differing and competing memes, the politics is a "force of memetics" but individual parties and ideologies are differing and competing memes.
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Tue, May 4, 2004 - 8:54 AMtotally. due to a lifetime of distractability, i have not read a tremendous amount relative to my thirst. so while i may have vision and understanding, i am not versed in these conversations.
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Re: too general?
Tue, June 21, 2005 - 10:53 PMSo what exactly do you mean when you say 'technology is religion'? What kind of feeling do you get?
I just like the idea of a rational based 'religion'. Of course you can't really have dogma in a rational religion, and most religion has some dogma.
I was reading 'awaking the buddhist within' - only the first chapter or so - and one of the things I liked was the author said that buddhism is non-dogmatic. "Go and try it yourself" - these are the instructions given to you, and you can go validate and have your own experiences. I'm a bit of a non-communal person in some ways, so perhaps this is attractive to me, but I also like the idea of being able to validate every aspect of your 'religion'. Hence why I like 'technology is religion'.
So if you were to have a 'church of technology' - what would you do?
-ryan
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Re: too general?
Fri, July 8, 2005 - 3:23 AMTo say that technology only is memetic and not religious is to miss the part about worshiping technology that I was assuming was implied in the title.
Yes religion is a meme. And the worship of technology probably is a meme in our culture, but our fascination with technology is also similar to the worship of rain, a sunset or a waterfall. And any of those could be thought of as memes as well as something on the genetic level*.
There is "magic" in what happens under the hood. We like what the end result is cause it pleases us in some way and we have a name for it, but many of us don't really get what is going on from beginning to end.
The handiest model for having religious conversations I have come across is to just assume everything you marvel at and/or do not understand is GOD. Add just a little bit of poetic personification and you can say God made the sunset and the rain fall and perhaps your Nokia. Under this line of thought, technology is a religion.
*that is assuming you believe all humans usually like rainbows and sunsets and that sort of thing.
